A BLOG BY ALAN CHAMBERS

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Alan Medinger - A Tribute

This morning I received a call from my long time friend and former Chairman of the Exodus International Board of Directors, Bob Ragan.  He relayed the very sad news that Alan Medinger, Founder of Regeneration Ministries, had passed away early this morning.  Alan was a dear friend and mentor.  He is survived by his wife, Willa and their 4 children who all have families.  He is also survived by thousands of men and women who were deeply impacted by his life and service.

Alan was the first to hold the position of Executive Director of Exodus International the position that is now entitled President.  I will never forget the amazing letter I received from Alan when I was hired for my position in 2001.  He was on the hiring committee that recommended me.  His words and blessing as he passed the torch to me will always be encouraging and dear.

I will miss Alan greatly but rejoice with his family that he is in a place of great joy--a place that all of us have the opportunity to go if we have a relationship with Jesus Christ.  If you don't know Jesus, you can. 

For more information on Alan Medinger and to see a note from Josh Glaser, Executive Director of Regeneration MInistries go to the Regeneration Ministries site.

God's Grace for George Rekers & Jo-Vanni Roman

Cross-Posted from Exodus International Blog

It is being reported widely throughout the media that Dr. George Rekers, husband, father, NARTH Board Member, scholar, theologian and Baptist minister (to name just a few of the highlights), confirmed that he hired a 20 year-old man to accompany him on a 10-day European mission trip and extended vacation.  As it turns out, that young man happens to be a prostitute, as well.  And while there has been no allegation of sexual misconduct, Dr. Rekers actions, at best, lacked an enormous deal of discernment.  At worst, he is guilty of leading a double life, even if just in motivation.

  Despite the familiar human desire to throw the stone in my hand at Dr. Rekers, I cannot. He is a human who seems to have made a mistake.  He is a Christian who seems to be guilty of practicing what he has preached against.  It is that fact that alone causes the deepest feelings of anger to arise no matter what side of the debate one falls. Regardless of any sexual impropriety, his actions were not above reproach and that has hurt his, until now, excellent reputation. This fiasco has also fueled speculation and doubt about the lives of others who have chosen to pursue a life in Christ above their sexuality - people like me, and those I represent at Exodus. And while Dr. Rekers may be guilty of things beyond those he has admitted, he deserves no less grace than I or any in the gay community now reveling over what must feel like a victory beyond their wildest dreams in their campaign to prove that people affected by same-sex attraction cannot and should not do anything but embrace a narrow view of their same-sex attractions by adopting and celebrating a gay identity.

 And, what about the young man, Jo-Vanni Roman, at the center of this controversy.  The carnivorous gay bloggers and their followers seem most concerned with the downfall of a man, a marriage and a movement; not to mention the titillating photos and full bodily description of this boy barely out of high school.  While I can put myself in the shoes of those who are angered by the potential hypocrisy of the Rekers’ story, I cannot understand the gay communities’ lack of regard for this 20 year-old boy who has been prostituting himself to anyone who “asks” and “pays”.  While the gay community seems hell-bent on forcing everyone to be tolerant of their “just like everyone else” lives they seem completely incapable of showing Jo-Vanni Roman any compassion or care that this kid is so desperate for love or money or care that he would stoop to dehumanizing himself with anyone who can afford to use and abuse him.  That’s no less disgusting.

  Well, it’s time for the Church to rise up and show that the counterfeit really isn’t the best kind of community.  While it has been common in the Christian community to cast stones, extend the left foot of fellowship and shoot our wounded; the tide is changing.  And, I for one am inclined to extend a hand to George Rekers, the man, and offer him help.  He is, after all, a husband and father.  We have seen other devastating situations in families turn around.  Maybe this is the crisis that will lead George Rekers to find the healing he has been looking for, but afraid to admit he needed.   

And, Jo-Vanni, if you or anyone like you is reading this, call us.  We will listen because we care.  The one thing we absolutely know is that there is a God who loves, redeems and restores completely. Whatever the damage that has been done, people whom Christ loves and gave His life for are in need. As part of the Body of Christ, Exodus International helps those in need - no matter who they are or what they've done—even those who will seek to criticize us for this very offer.

Statement from Alan Chambers Regarding Exodus and Dawson McAllister

Recent events involving youth leader Dawson McAllister, Clear Channel Communications and Exodus International have been spotlighted in numerous blogs and publications over the past few days. While Exodus is no stranger to controversy, we are usually reluctant to make public statements critical of other organizations or leaders, particularly those for whom we have high personal regard. But the very public nature of this situation leaves us no choice but to clarify our feelings and position on the matter.

On Sunday April 11, a 22 year old gay blogger named Greg Kimball called into McAllister’s syndicated radio talk show Dawson McAllister Live, posing as a 16 year old seeking advice about his homosexuality. The show’s representative referred him to Exodus, which was listed on McAllister’s website as a partner. (Other partners on the site include Focus on the Family and Campus Crusade for Christ.) Kimball, apparently outraged that a youth-oriented radio show would refer people to Exodus, went public with his discovery, resulting in a number of communications to Clear Channel demanding they take action.

Clear Channel subsequently informed Dawson that he would need to remove Exodus’ name from his referral list. Citing its non-discriminatory policy, the company defended what many would view as censorship, stating that because of their commitment to diversity, they expect that “listeners who call (Dawson McAllister Live) be treated in a manner consistent with our corporate commitments to diversity.” Left with a choice between losing favor with Clear Channel by maintaining a relationship with Exodus, or maintaining media visibility by severing our ties, he chose the latter. On Thursday April 15 he informed us personally that, while he loves and supports Exodus, our name was now deleted from his partner’s list, and he will no longer refer to us. That decision has been well publicized, requiring a response.

Our esteem for Dawson is not in question here. His achievements are remarkable – <<over 1 million copies of his books and manuals sold; a 15 year broadcasting career; a radio show boasting over 140 stations – and I’ve made no secret of his impact on me.  In 1991 we met in Lakeland, Florida.  I was 19 at the time, and it was through his personal referral that I found Exodus International. Dawson McAllister was the catalyst for my journey, which eventually led me to direct the organization he’s now unwilling to officially associate with. (Could the irony be any more bitter?)

But respect notwithstanding, it’s troubling to see any Christian-led organization allow itself to be guided by the demands of pro-gay advocates. While Exodus is the group being marginalized in this case, it's the freedom to express a traditional viewpoint of sexuality that's really at stake, raising the obvious question: Who's Next? Should all on-air ministries who teach that homosexuality falls short of God’s will expect a knock on the door, demanding they either water it down or close shop? And if that knock comes, is the truth about human sexuality really a negotiable item? Is the definition of marriage and family so small a matter to Christian leaders that they’ll avoid inconvenient truth (or inconvenient relationships) to keep their audience? If so, we wonder what other Biblical truths are up for negotiation when on-air visibility is at stake.

We appreciate the need one group may have to distance itself from another. We’ve made that painful decision ourselves, when we’ve realized that differences in belief or approach were so great that we had no choice but to severe ties with those we could longer in good faith support. So if an associate no longer shares our position on homosexuality, we respect his need to break ties with us. Likewise, if someone shares our viewpoint but objects to the way we implement it, we hope they’ll discuss their concerns with us so we can consider them and, if no agreement can be reached, we wish them the best as they move on.

But according to both Dawson and his CEO (who also spoke with me by phone) this severance had nothing to do with disagreement. The CEO, in fact, assured me they still love Exodus and believe in what we are doing, which bothers me all the more. When organizational relations end due to irreconcilable differences of belief or practice, that makes sense. But when someone publicly dumps you then privately whispers “We still believe in what you’re doing”, isn’t some kind of double-mindedness at play? Both of them also stressed to me their desire to stay on Clear Channel, which is understandable. But at what cost? When a Christian leader is forced to choose between truth and market numbers, should market numbers really be the deciding factor?

Yes, according to Dawson’s CEO, who told me that only 1% of their callers over the past 15 months had phoned in with this issue. "Should we forsake the 99 percent for the 1 percent?" he asked. Had he remembered the parable of the lost sheep, in which a good shepherd left the 99 for the 1, he might have answered his own question. 

And there’s the rub. If Dawson McAllister was a secular, non-Christian leader, his priorities would make sense. But if he serves the One who warned “Woe unto you when all men speak well of you”, and follows in the steps of the Apostle who said, “If I seek the favor of men, I should not be a servant of Jesus Christ”, then his response to pressure from gay activists and Clear Channel is distressing. We earnestly hope it will be the exception, not the rule, when similar pressure is exerted on other visible leaders.

As for us, we’ll continue our commitment to Biblically based truth regarding homosexuality, and to that 1% that is, to us, precious. And on a personal note, I’ll admit that yes, I am sad, yet I am determined.  I'm not giving up or in.  You can count on me, 1%.  I'm for you, and both I and my colleagues at Exodus will continue to tell you the truth about God's never-ending grace and mercy.

To Contact Clear Channel:

Marc Mays, CEO, Clear Channel; Executive Assistant: Carole Adamek, 210-832-3306
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Core Issues Speaking Engagement

Next week I will be traveling to Belfast, Northern Ireland to speak at an event for a group called Core Issues headed by Dr. Mike Davidson.  I have been asked to share insights from my latest book, Leaving Homosexuality (Harvest House, 2009).  Core Issues has recently had other Exodus leaders, like Christine Sneeringer, in to speak for what looks like a series on the complexities related to same-sex attraction and faith.

The speaker that kicked off this series for Core Issues and has some official connection to that organization is a man that I do not know named Dr. Paul Miller.  Dr. Miller is facing an inquest for his work in the U.K.  Because medical doctors and clinicians face these inquests routinely as a follow up to complaints, Exodus and I are not inclined to make a statement or pass judgment on issues for which we have insufficient information.  It has been reported that Dr. Miller is an associate of Mr. Richard Cohen of the International Healing Foundation.  Upon inquiry we found that, like many good and reputable therapists and laymen alike, Dr. Miller did host a training for Mr. Cohen a few years ago which Dr. Mike Davidson attended.  Both have since broken ties with Mr. Cohen and neither utilize or endorse his practices. (BLOGMASTER NOTE: Dr. Mike Davidson simply attended a conference by Cohen thus had no affiliation.  Dr. Miller did endorse Mr. Cohen's book several years back, which is still on the IHF website.) 

In addition, the idea of "gay-to-straight" therapy is not something that Exodus subscribes to.  The mission of Exodus is to help those affected by same-sex attractions grow deeper in their relationship with Christ as they embrace God’s true intent for their identity and sexuality.  While many have experienced change in attractions and orientation, that isn't the focus of Exodus nor is it through any technique or tool that Exodus uses to get such a result. As such, I felt it necessary to, once again, clearly denounce unethical techniques like "holding therapy" and the over focus on gay-to-straight conversion therapies.  Exodus International upholds the truth of scripture concerning human sexual expression but realizes that the point of this life far transcends attraction.  No change or freedom can be attained by focusing solely on such issues.

New Book Offers Practical, Authentic Insight on Leaving Homosexuality

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Orlando, FL- A new book, released by Harvest House Publishers today, offers practical advice and honest information on the process of leaving a gay life to pursue one that reflects the Christian faith. Alan Chambers, President of Exodus International, the world’s largest ministry to those personally dealing with unwanted same-sex attraction, has written his second book Leaving Homosexuality: A Practical Guide for Men and Women Looking for a Way Out.

Chambers says the book marks a departure from the ambiguity of the “change is possible” message and details what kind of change is possible for someone struggling with unwanted homosexual feelings. Leaving Homosexuality clarifies expectations and tackles complicated questions with candor and pragmatism. Chambers shares insight from his own life on how to build authentic community, how to process and experience healing from unforgiveness and overcome the power of sexual addiction.

“This book is an honest look at what it means to painfully surrender your life to Jesus Christ and experience real transformation,” said Chambers. “While the road has not been easy, I’ve experienced joy and satisfaction that I never knew was possible. My hope is that this book encourages others living beyond homosexuality with the hope that this journey can yield unexpected promise and blessing.”

Chambers’ first book, God’s Grace & the Homosexual Next Door: Reaching the Heart of the Gay Men and Women in Your World was published in 2007 and details how individuals and churches can become a haven for homosexuals seeking freedom from same-sex attraction.

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Founded in 1976, Exodus International is the largest Christian organization dealing with homosexual issues in the world today. With over 230 affiliates in its network, Exodus is a dynamic outreach ministry dedicated to sharing the hope of freedom through the power of Jesus Christ.

It's Hard to Hate a President that You Pray For

My wife, kids and I have been praying almost daily for Barack, Michelle, Sasha, and Malia Obama since they became the First Family Elect of the United States.  We had voted for John McCain and, frankly, were very nervous about an Obama presidency.  During the campaigning process I was very vocal about my support for McCain and my opposition to Obama.  This is the United States and I am very thankful for the right to speak my mind freely.  People of every race, creed, color, orientation, political affiliation, and religion should always have that right.  There is no harm in having or expressing an opinion.

 However, infinitely more important than being able to express my opinion as an American is my desire as a Christian to care about people’s hearts above those right or wrong opinions.  And, while I am, as a citizen of the United States, regularly and carefully sharing my thoughts with our elected officials I am far more often simply praying for the people voters have entrusted with leading us.

 I am sure that the concept of hating a president or elected official isn’t too far from many people’s minds these days.  The media has always been very quick to show the stories of those who seem to hate a president.  I hear from people daily who hate President Obama’s policies and trash him all day long for them.  Sometimes, maybe often times, I sense that conservatives, more specifically for the purposes of this article, evangelical conservatives, hate this president’s policies and try to defeat them more than they love the man as their neighbor and pray for his heart.  I know for a fact that if I didn’t pray for Barack Obama and his family daily that I would be guilty of the same thing.  It is my praying for the Obama family that keeps me from sinning against them with a reckless tongue.

 I have written before about Former Governor Jesse Ventura’s comment that religion is a crutch for the weak.  In the case of praying for Barack Obama my faith is more like a brick wall for me.  I am weak and I willingly and gladly admit it.  I am too weak not to pray for the daily strength to overcome the sin of unhealthy criticism.  I am too weak not to pray for the ability to love my fellow man with which I have so many deep disagreements.  I pray because I must.  I pray because I will fail miserably if I don’t.  Having failed far more times than I care to number, I daily choose to succeed.  In this particular case, I am choosing to succeed at loving and praying for a president that I don’t agree with, that I didn’t vote for and for his heart that I do not understand. 

 God loves Barack Obama and his family as much as He loves me and mine and wants them for His own—if they aren’t already.  I cannot judge him because I haven’t walked a step in his shoes let alone a mile.  So, as a citizen I will be proactive in sharing my opinions, but far more often my wife, four-year-old son and daughter and I will bow our heads, quiet our hearts and pray this prayer:

 Dear Jesus, This morning we pray for Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Malia and Sasha Obama to come to know you if they don’t already.  We pray that President Obama would become the best Christian president this nation has ever known.  Guide him, protect him and help him to seek you.  We pray for his cabinet and administration and for every decision he will make for our country today.  We trust you, Lord.  Amen.

 

 

Steven Furtick, Ted & Gayle Haggard and Elevation Church

A few months ago I stumbled across a blog that intrigued me.  The post I read was insightful and I forwarded it to the entire Exodus Leadership Team worldwide.  I went back the next day and the next and finally decided that it was going to be one of the only blogs that I was going to read each day.  I am so glad that I made that decision.  You can check it out for yourself.

Last week as I read that blog I was surprised to see that its author, Steven Furtick, who is also the pastor of Elevation Church, was hosting Ted and Gayle Haggard during the weekend service.  I was pleasantly surprised.  As I stated in an email to Steven's assistant, "I am grateful when any church with so much to lose does something so risky for the sake of grace."

On the Elevation site I found the MP3 of last weeks service and wanted to share it here.  It is rare to hear a pastor share my thoughts on this issue almost word for word, but Steven did. 

Let me know what you think.

Uganda and Beyond

There has been a lot of talk lately about Uganda and their laws which criminalize homosexual behavior.   This is not a position that I understand or support.  And as I have been in touch over the course of the last month with numerous church officials in Uganda I have shared my thoughts on that--some agree with me and others do not.  Thinking about Uganda and talking with people there about this caused me to wonder what the laws are like in other deeply religious countries.  My friend Randy Thomas did a quick search and found the following:

 BRAZIL

Report: One LGBT Person Killed Every Two Days in Brazil

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/04/report-one-lgbt-person-killed-every-two-days-in-brazil.html

IRAQ

Fliers, Videos Reveal Ongoing Death Campaign Against Iraqi Gays Iraqi Gay Men Face Lives of Hell

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8005420.stm (via towleroad)

Report: Iraqi Militia Killing Gay Men with Painful Anal Glue Torture

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/04/report-iraqi-militia-killing-gay-men-with-painful-form-of-anal-torture.html

 http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=90236

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/six-gay-men-killed-iraq/story.aspx?guid={68D2C2DD-93A0-4E7B-BAE6-A51A9B7003C5

IRAN

A life or death decision - Mehdi Kazemi is a gay teenager from Iran.

He sought sanctuary in Britain after his boyfriend was hanged for homosexuality. So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-life-or-death-decision-792058.html#a

So, while some others are only talking about Uganda---probably because they want to link it to Exodus--I was grateful that www.Towleroad.com was covering a multitude of stories on the atrocities being carried out against gay or perceived-to-be-gay people around the world.

So what's the answer in these countries?  I don't know.  Sadly, there seems to be no good way to respond because coming at this from a Christian viewpoint in Muslim countries is pointless.  And while others jump on the bandwagon of the United Nations and government sanctions I cannot support going in to a country and forcing them to deal with this issue as the gay activist community would suggest.

Like what is needed with the issue of bullying in the public school, can't a broad coalition of non-like-minded people band together and say, despite our agenda (and we all have one), "violence against people who are different from what is considered normal is wrong and must end."  No religious or social cause is promoted, just love and respect for our fellow man.

Is that possible in today's agenda driven society?  I'm interested.  I really am.

Confessions of an Evangelical Christian

A recent hullabaloo over a conference in Uganda has had me thinking and praying about some things.  The conference centered on a conservative, presumably Christian, response to gay issues in that country.  In Uganda, homosexual behavior is punishable by imprisonment and there is talk of stiffening the penalties.  Several American gay activists and even some conservative Christians have raised a ruckus about the event and rightfully so. Uganda's policies seem reprehensible. Publicly exposing or arresting gay-identified men and women for homosexual behavior or forcing them to undergo therapy is a true violation of free will and a compassionless transgression.
 
I'm not an expert on Ugandan law or even on U.S. law. I am, however, a Christian and can share my perspective on an issue that I believe transcends legal and cultural boundaries. I know a few things relevant to this discussion. For one, Christ came for all of us or He came for none of us.  I know He loves us equally regardless of our skin color, religious beliefs, affiliations or orientations.  Nothing can make Him love us more or less.  I also know that there is a right and a wrong as well as a good and an evil.  I know every single human being who has and ever will be born, aside from Jesus Christ, of course, is a sinner in need of a Savior.  And I also know that love transcends hate.
 
About 40 years ago, the gay rights movement really took off in America.  The Stonewall riots occurred. Organized groups began looking at how they could bring about social change in psychology, religion and government. I'll freely admit they did an amazing job in accomplishing the task. They were far more brilliant in how they capitalized on something deeper and infinitely more significant - the hypocrisy, apathy, pride, division, laziness, ignorance and un-Christlike attitudes that existed in the Christian church.
 
Surprised to hear me say that? It may not make me sound like much of a Christian, but I am. I'm a follower of Christ and believe every word of the Bible is true and infallible.  However, I have to be honest. I am troubled by what I see as one of the most significant failures in church history. I wasn't alive in the 60's and I barely remember the early 70's, but I watched enough Christian television and took in enough news in the 80's to know that the Christian church didn't experience its finest moment at a time when gay individuals desperately needed to know God's unconditional love. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that 100% of all Christians or all churches failed, but if we are truly to be a united group as the Bible suggests, then what one of us did wrong, we all did wrong. We must own that, deal with it, turn away from it and move forward with humility, honesty and compassion.
 
I will never forget the early days of the AIDS epidemic. I remember reading about entire families that were run out of town simply because a member of their family contracted AIDS through a blood transfusion.  One family in Belle Glade, Florida that had three hemophiliac sons with AIDS were kicked out of school, forced out of their home and subjected to cruel torture by angry mobs.  I wondered where the Church was. Then there was the story of young Ryan White who contracted AIDS from tainted blood. Unfortunately, it wasn't the Church that became known for embracing him and his single mother and sister - it was the gay community.  I applaud the gay community for doing what the Church should have done.

I think of actors like Rock Hudson who was the brunt of cruel jokes after his diagnosis with AIDS for being gay.  I remember the sermons I heard about the abominable sin of homosexuality - as if it was the only abominable sin in the Bible.  I vividly remember the all-too-common sentiments I heard from many Christian people entrapped in ignorance and fear who said, "Ship the gays all off to an island and let them have at it" or  "AIDS is God's judgment on the homosexual."  A dear friend of mine with two gay sons once said in response to that comment, "Aren't you glad there isn't a cancer for a judgmental heart and vicious tongue?"  The horror stories are endless.  And they served as an open door that many gay activists walked through to obtain sympathy from a detached and even ignorant society.

While Christians were pointing the finger at homosexuals, many were shacking up with secretaries, shooting up in bathrooms and paying for sex on the street.  Hypocritical for sure.  Many Christians can tell you the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, but they don't know Romans 2:4 (NAS) states, “….the kindness of God leads you to repentance.” Many of our shortcomings, as a church, set the stage for they gay rights movement that ensued.

I unapologetically believe what the Bible says about homosexuality just as much as I believe what it says about every other sin, too.  I know Proverbs 6:16-19 by heart in a dozen languages.  You know that reference, right?  It's the most famous verse listing abominations:

"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."

Ironically, there is no reference to homosexuality.  While there are plenty of other direct references, I think every Christian needs look no further than their own heart to see themselves in these verses. Lying tongues? Haughty eyes?  We're all guilty of those things and I'm thankful that the ground is level at the foot of the Cross.

Most recently, our nation has been engaged in marriage initiatives like Proposition 8 in California.  While I supported this initiative and all others that uphold what I believe is God's intention for marriage, I have often wondered what things in California might be like if the Church had spent the $39 million dollars they raised for Proposition 8 to show the love of Christ to the gay community.  The visual impact of that overt gesture would be undeniable - Christians raising a small fortune simply to show their love for gay people.  I can't imagine. And I am sad that I can't. Consequently, I believe that policies on social issues do matter, but only because the people behind them do. Losing that truth means losing the full heart of God.  When conveying the heart of God becomes impossible to do in policy battles then we need to stay silent.  And, if there is a way to express the heart of God and forgo the policy battle altogether---even if it is a much longer and more rigorous process—then by all means, choose it.  For instance, might there be a way to strengthen marriage as the union of one man and one woman for one lifetime that isn’t reactionary and based on policy?  Even if such an effort took longer and was far more labor intensive?  Isn’t it always better to have a campaign for something rather than one that is against?  Just my honest questions here.

Confession is good for the soul, they say. There's a reason for that. So, to my fellow Christians in Uganda, California and elsewhere around the world, my suggestion as you engage in social dialogue over this issue is this: pray, confess your own sins and remember where you were before God found you.  And to the gay community: it is my great hope that we as a Christian church will give you no more reasons to justifiably doubt God's love for you.  I am sorry for the times when I have contributed to that.